but discarding tools that atrophy us rather than empower us.
In the book it discarded tools that empowered us and ending up atrophying humanity basically forever, and even when the atrophy supposedly ended for the price of unbelivable suffering, it was only vulgar numerical and territorial growth, not empowerment. And it STILL required usage of not only forbidden tech but also technomagic required to even have a primitivist interstellar civilization.
Butlerian jihad was deeply reactionary war and every leftist should fight against the bastards that set up the Great Convention system.
The Jihad was the basis for the development of mentats, navigators, prescience, most of what the Bene Gesserit could do, etc.
Supremacist superhuman cults and objectification of humans are good and empowering according to you? Wow how nice. Also you forgot nice tleilaxan things like turning every woman into breeding tank or genetically engineered slaves. Prescience? Did you missed literally every book constantly saying “prescience bad”?
The spice became a cause of atrophy as well when people became reliant on it, but that’s consistent with the theme.
Yes it’s consistent with the theme of butlerian jihad atrophying humanity to the point of being hooked on barely understood space heroin. The atrophy and decay of human minds went so far barely anyone even thought about that.
Fuck the Great Convention obviously, but the Jihad was (mostly) good actually.
Jihad literally plunged humanity into millenia of slavery and serfdom. I find it absolutely wild that any leftist would support this.
The Jihad empowered people to do independently even more than what prior generations could do with computers. I don’t think the weird cults were the only possible outcome, they just made for a better story about power and politics.
Independently? Of what, humanity’s creations? Well, that’s true, jihadists destroyed basically entire civilization. 99% of humanity were slaves or serfs, the nobility and merchants were even more static than ever, the instant teleportation that eventually allowed for galactic or even multi galactic scale spread seen basically no use except making money since the distant planet Arrakis was just 200 LY from Earth and most of mentioned worlds even closer. Most “progressive” factions like Ixians or Tleilaxu took thousands of years to actually invent something, even entirely legal. Even maintaining the space civilization relied on impossible magical tech. Education and science were abysmal, superstition widespread, it made the cults inevitable, just they were real because of space heroin and magic.
they just made for a better story about power and politics.
This isn’t really the story about power and politics, it’s a classical Greek tragedy where everything is fucked no matter what because everything has been setup to fail by the story premise, which is precisely the butlerian jihad.
Lmao it is my favourite sci-fi book, it is a great Greek tragedy. And if anything, it is you who read it wrong since you took from it that a tragic event that crippled humanity is a good one.
I’ll fight you in that war. I’ll fight for science, for better living standards, for the future, against reactionary anprims.
I think it’s not about primitivism, but discarding tools that atrophy us rather than empower us.
I’m not sure what side humanoid robots fall on.
In the book it discarded tools that empowered us and ending up atrophying humanity basically forever, and even when the atrophy supposedly ended for the price of unbelivable suffering, it was only vulgar numerical and territorial growth, not empowerment. And it STILL required usage of not only forbidden tech but also technomagic required to even have a primitivist interstellar civilization.
Butlerian jihad was deeply reactionary war and every leftist should fight against the bastards that set up the Great Convention system.
The Jihad was the basis for the development of mentats, navigators, prescience, most of what the Bene Gesserit could do, etc.
The spice became a cause of atrophy as well when people became reliant on it, but that’s consistent with the theme.
Fuck the Great Convention obviously, but the Jihad was (mostly) good actually.
Supremacist superhuman cults and objectification of humans are good and empowering according to you? Wow how nice. Also you forgot nice tleilaxan things like turning every woman into breeding tank or genetically engineered slaves. Prescience? Did you missed literally every book constantly saying “prescience bad”?
Yes it’s consistent with the theme of butlerian jihad atrophying humanity to the point of being hooked on barely understood space heroin. The atrophy and decay of human minds went so far barely anyone even thought about that.
Jihad literally plunged humanity into millenia of slavery and serfdom. I find it absolutely wild that any leftist would support this.
The Jihad empowered people to do independently even more than what prior generations could do with computers. I don’t think the weird cults were the only possible outcome, they just made for a better story about power and politics.
Independently? Of what, humanity’s creations? Well, that’s true, jihadists destroyed basically entire civilization. 99% of humanity were slaves or serfs, the nobility and merchants were even more static than ever, the instant teleportation that eventually allowed for galactic or even multi galactic scale spread seen basically no use except making money since the distant planet Arrakis was just 200 LY from Earth and most of mentioned worlds even closer. Most “progressive” factions like Ixians or Tleilaxu took thousands of years to actually invent something, even entirely legal. Even maintaining the space civilization relied on impossible magical tech. Education and science were abysmal, superstition widespread, it made the cults inevitable, just they were real because of space heroin and magic.
This isn’t really the story about power and politics, it’s a classical Greek tragedy where everything is fucked no matter what because everything has been setup to fail by the story premise, which is precisely the butlerian jihad.
There are elements of tragedy in it, but it’s really about power and politics and human struggle, so I can’t see how there wouldn’t be.
I don’t feel like we read the same books. Your experience reading whatever books you did sounds miserable.
I read a story about politics and power, a story about the struggles of humanity to expand across the universe and survive across millennia.
I guess you read something about getting empires when you don’t have computers.
Lmao it is my favourite sci-fi book, it is a great Greek tragedy. And if anything, it is you who read it wrong since you took from it that a tragic event that crippled humanity is a good one.